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Miva Merchant 4 Performance
gmahler5th


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Do any MM4 users here experience page timeouts, or notice slow page loads?
Bruce


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Depending on what you through at your store in terms of added functionality, how well those features are added and the type of hosting account you have, yes, Merchant can be slowed down considerably. However, TimeOut are a sign of something wrong with your site.

Do you have a URL we could look at?

If you want more performance, something akin to a dedicated server, you could look at out Merchant Optimizer module which generates exact duplicates of your store using static HTML files. (all with just a simple click of a button).

You can check out the details here: http://www.phosphormedia.com/go.mv?ID=MOD-OPTH
gmahler5th


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Hi Bruce, do you use HostMySite.com as a ISP for any Miva stores? I have OpenUI and a Category and Page template from Viking Coders in Use. What server configurations would you make to ISPs hosting MM4 for increasing performance?

Here is a link to the store.

http://snipurl.com/qi8b
Bruce


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We have some clients on HostMySite.com...don't remember which ones off hand (have a couple hundred)...but, in general, the best way to optimize speed outside of using a product like Merchant Optimizer is to be very carefull in putting your site together.

Products like OpenUI, while giving you lots of flexiablity, will also give you the abiltiy to make a store run very slow. A lot of the "features" that OpenUI enables will drastically slow your site down. One example we see if someone using OpenTokens to do a reverse lookup from a product to find the category its in, or using OpenTokens to create the category tree (which is much slower than the native one).

Another common error is using a bunch on modules (especially systems modules) to do little things that can be done either with out module, or by one module instead of many. A classic example of this is using something like Display Wizard to remove the default margin in the Body of the HTML when this can be done in basic OpenUi and even sometimes plan Merchant by adding the CSS style: BODY{margin:0px}
jmh


Joined: 18 Jun 2005
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gmahler5th wrote:
Hi Bruce, do you use HostMySite.com as a ISP for any Miva stores? I have OpenUI and a Category and Page template from Viking Coders in Use. What server configurations would you make to ISPs hosting MM4 for increasing performance?

Here is a link to the store.

http://snipurl.com/qi8b


Simply using OpenUI and viking templates should not make your store slow. If everything is configured properly or at default settings, you may need to upgrade to a better account.

Jason
Bruce


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Depends on how you define slow. Adding OpenUI WILL slow down your site....the question is one of realativity. For example:if prior to adding OpenUI, your site returned a page within one second...then OpenUI might return that page in 1.1 seconds. Definetly slowly...noticable...maybe not, but I don't think it honest to say that it doesn't slow it down at all. In several other post, I have pointed out the potential danger of OpenUI: That is allows for clients to add numerous features THAT WILL slow it down considerably...without any knowledge of the consequences. Understand that, adding ANY additional features has the potential to slow a site down is an importent understanding to have. Its a matter of value: is the additional time worth the added feature.
jmh


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Bruce wrote:
Depends on how you define slow. Adding OpenUI WILL slow down your site....the question is one of realativity. For example:if prior to adding OpenUI, your site returned a page within one second...then OpenUI might return that page in 1.1 seconds. Definetly slowly...noticable...maybe not, but I don't think it honest to say that it doesn't slow it down at all.


Notice I said "make your store slow" not "it won't make your store slower" and then further talked about proper configuration and default settings. Completely honest and fair in my opinion.

In several other post, I have pointed out the potential danger of OpenUI: That is allows for clients to add numerous features THAT WILL slow it down considerably...without any knowledge of the consequences. Understand that, adding ANY additional features has the potential to slow a site down is an importent understanding to have. Its a matter of value: is the additional time worth the added feature.

That is why I am here to give a fair and balanced view.
Bruce


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That is why I am here to give a fair and balanced view.


Jeeze.... sorry, forgot you had the corner of "fair and balance' Look Jason, you and i don't see eye to eye on a lot of things, but insinutating that you are somehow more fair and balanced, is, well both a low blow and completely off-base. The fact that I don't believe that affiliate sales should change professional opinions is not a reason to harp and pick apart every post I make.
jmh


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Bruce wrote:

That is why I am here to give a fair and balanced view.


Jeeze.... sorry, forgot you had the corner of "fair and balance' Look Jason, you and i don't see eye to eye on a lot of things, but insinutating that you are somehow more fair and balanced, is, well both a low blow and completely off-base.

Sorry, It was intended to come out that both my and your opinions together equaled a fair and balanced view.


The fact that I don't believe that affiliate sales should change professional opinions is not a reason to harp and pick apart every post I make.

Well, I don't believe they should change them either, so we agree on that. I believe it is you who is replying to my posts. I am simply responding in turn.
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