by all means say what you have to say, other ppl on here think I only **** about m$ because they killed my dog but that isn't so and it's always nice to hear from someone who is actually knowledgable in the situation. Josh has always been flippy floppy and listens to ppl too much instead of actually checking it out but he has dramatically improved lol.



Exactly! that is one of the biggest reasons why I would NEVER EVER use it, I mean they can't make the desktop secure which you pay for so what makes these ppl think that their free products would be any better? I always ask that but they never reply, they just get all pissy haha.

Coldfusion has come along ways since version 5 but ppl still seam to think of it as only a tag runner, which is all php is but certainly not cfml anymore.


Yup and that is why a I asked Connie in the first place. It's amazing how many ppl that use php think that in order to use cfml that they need to pay $1200, which isn't true.

Now .net is good and excels at some things that involve "heavy lifting", matter of fact the only thing better for those things is java (which can be directly run inside a cfm). And come on Josh, it's not like any apps that you are doing will require that. You do basic stuff, get info out of a db, insert, update, delete data, where heavy lifting doesnt even take place. Now if you like .net then more power to ya, but I ain't gunna write 3x the amount of code to get same results and still have the power there if I need it.

Which brings us roundabout to Connie.
While php is a decent language you are limitied to adding other technolgies to it and its still just a tag runner and I will disagree with Josh about it being ready for enterprise sized apps. Without an underlying structure or platform it's just not there.

Personally Connie, I think coldfusion would be the best one for you to pick up. It's quick and easy to get into and you can learn all the major platforms and run them inside coldfusion. Say you want to learn or try c++ then make cfx tags (which are c++ driven), or java (can be run right inside cfm) or actionscript(which is java like and really is for flash but can be run within coldfusion), .net can be run on the bluedragon server using either .net syntax or cfml tags, list goes on and on and on......

I will add this also...........Of the languages/platforms I've used.........ASP, PHP, .NET and ColdFusion.........ColdFusion was BY FAR the easiest for me to pick up on and learn.....I like it because it is SIMPLIFIED.......

And you're right loftboy.......most of us here aren't building any heavy applications........Maybe some e-commerce apps, content management apps etc.......Just basic select, insert, update, delete, etc.

MB

yet it you have the power if you need it

I never argued that... just... ahh i already said it, no need to say it again. My words are done here

umm ok josh

What does a user created class look like in ColdFusion?
One with a constructor and some overloaded methods in it?

Good question...

just write a cfc, create an object out of it and you can roll it through the j2ee server in anyway you want or need to, actually it takes u a lot more code to do same thing in .net (but we already know that)

Scott don't try and be a smartass and don't forget that with coldfusion you can run basically anything you want across the j2ee server and have all the power of java at your finget tips too use however you want or need, not to mention java is a more powerful language than .net.

So petty ?'s like that are just that, petty and uniformed...........


Josh, on the sites you make why would that even be an issue since you aren't really doing "anthing" that would make that a factor anyways.

ooohhhh just thought it'd be nice to know

thing is Josh that ppl tend to remember what a product "was" as opposed to what it now "is".

There are ppl on our list would build either "mission critical" gov site or these massive multi-million dollar sites and there isn't anything they can't do now with cfm. Where as 6 months ago some of these ppl's shops switched over to .net and now have switched back.

to each his own........

and since Scott insists on being the smartass these days, Scott how do you make a form like the contact form on this page with only .net? http://www.icandfashion.com/gallery/gallery.cfm

You don't... .Net doesn't need all the unnecessary flash muah ha ha

lol, yeah we just gotta wait for "sparkle" eh

nah blegh to that too... unless like I've read taht it runs on avalon. But then it's still useless for about 2% of the population running something other than windows.

not only to that "2%" but to previous versions of windows as well, as their marketing plan dictates that they want everyone to buy everything new and only theirs to be able to use it.....

I doubt it will even run on xp....
actually, I doubt it will even run at all haha