You can't be well versed in the use of Fireworks for layout & design then.

You know me lofty, I'm not into the big graphics thing. I'm all for CSS & lightweight sites and I still use Fireworks over Dreamweaver for layout & design. Everyday of the week and twice on Sundays. And you still have yet to give any concrete reasons as why to use one over the other. Cmon - you say you gots skillz...show me what I'm doing wrong and tell me why specifically, I should use Dreamweaver instead of Fireworks for layout & design. Again, you know me, I won't take "Cuz it kicks Micro$ofts @$$" as an answer.

lol, come on now we all know its ms's fault!!!!

ok, how about load time
how about intrgrating dynamic data
how about portability
How about assessability
how about search engine friendliness
etc ect...

maybe we are talking about different things here but I can't see any reasons why you would want to make pages entirely out of graphics.

I remember the one you showed us the one time for the gaming site, in which case thats a rare exception but even those kind of layouts are going to alt methods even flash.

Yea the gaming site was definately an exception - TOTAL artsy site.

We must be talking about 2 different things though cuz I do I'd say 99% of my layout work in Fireworks. And just because you do the layout in Fireworks DOES NOT mean that the site is going to be all images - not in the slightest. Believe me. Only after creating the header, footer, nav & content areas in Fireworks do I go into Dreamweaver to do my database connections & scripting logic - 0% of htat work is layout & design, that's all backend stuff I do in Dreamweaver.

And again, if it's going to be a large n-tier application, I go VS.NET for hard core codebehind programming. Can't figure out why ANYONE would try to use Dreamweaver for a .NET application when you have all the beauty and power of VisualStudio. Intellisense and debugging like I said before should make that a no brainer.

that makes more sense.
I was thinking you were saying like those templates that you buy where the whole page is a friggin big image lol

dude...all the discussions you and I have been in and you'd think *I* would stoop to that?

I just use Fireworks because it's WAY more visual for ME than Dreamweaver EVER will be and than VS ever COULD be. Just because you slice a layout up does not mean you HAVE to use all those images it creates...no way no how.

I still haven't found a good enough tool for me to do CSS in so I still do all of that by hand. And that's probably as it should be...CSS is supposed to be the culmination of lightweight and cleanliness - no app is going to create that kind of stuff. Just by their very nature code generating apps muddy things up.

lol, thats why i was wondering!!
Was gunna have to come kick some bootie

http://www.csscreator.com//version2/pagelayout.php

I read your post that you use Visual Studio and then Dreamweaver for site-building. I need to do that now. How do I use both?