Several years ago I was obsessed with getting the concept of embedded fonts to work, however I don't remember ever having done it successfully. Has anyone had any luck in this arena? Last I remeber MS had a product that would embed fonts into a webpage, but I don't remember it ever working well or at all.

Thoughts?

IIRC, Microsoft's browser was the only one that supported it and it never did work quite right. Your only other way of using custom fonts is if you are creating a Flash based site- fonts can be embedded into .swf files.

<sigh> Thanks for the info - depressing as it is (I don't work with Flash...yet)

You'd think that HTML would have made some progress in this respect. Embedding fonts into the code of the page would make it soooooooooooo much easier to actually control how your content is viewed.

CSS is the key to that.... if you do it correctly, you can get pretty **** close to having the same thing everywhere- although you are still limited on your choice of font-faces.

i have that program somewhere jamie, never was used

or if u really need it u can use an empy but formatted flash movie and import the text though the flashvar variable

There are a couple of things with only some support. The Bitstream Dynamic Fonts at http://www.truedoc.com/webpages/intro/index.html is one. Microsoft's way of doing this is at http://www.microsoft.com/typography/WEFT.mspx

Niether of these work very well. The new css3 should have more support for fonts, but that is still in process.

Yeah... hoping and praying for something to come soon...

And speaking of which... anybody seen the IE7 project? It's one HTC file that makes IE fully CSS2 & CSS3 compliant... im working on implimenting it in a site now...

support for fonts really isnt the issue, its embedding them in a realist way.
I think as coldfsuion evolves u will see better things for that as they are really making it with more flash in it.

then it comes down to is design, as a lot of the browsers push what u can change (like mozillas css controls).

Personaly, im headin everything over to rias and flash so its really not an issue for me.

i used to just make it into a graphic if i needed something special but as the search engines are looking more for the text it hurts the rankings to do it that way.

not sure it will be that usuable for awhile

well josh ie is one of the main colprits of why things are messed up in css, of course the biggest was the disaster known as netscape 4.

u know me, i wouldnt trust anything m$ at all

i base all my stuff off of firefox now then validate it against css & xhtml and in some cases section 508, at least then it follows w3c standards.

iread something the other day about how ie stong hold is rapidly declining in favor of, well mainly firefox. Not to mention we have google coming out with there own browser and aol will becoming out with theur standalone browser which will be a friggin nightmare! aka, 2nd coming of netscape 4!! haha

Read my post and understand that I was merely stating that somebody has come up with a SERVER SIDE SOLUTION to fix the CSS issues with IE. That's all. You can code however pleases you, but I have customers that don't give a rat's @ss about compliancy or standards... they want it to work all the way around, especially on their browser of choice with is 95% of the time IE. When I'm getting paid to do it, my opinion ranks last so I hardly ever give it unless it's asked for

With IE7, an HTC file is referenced on the server which then is downloaded automatically to the client. Yes, it's a workaround, but so far it's a workaround that WORKS. And in the end that's all that matters. It's not how you get from A to B, but rather that you do.

I love Firefox. I use it regularly and recommend that many of my clients move to it. it's split about half and half (half use it, half don't like it). What can I say... choice; it's a biatch.

Any browser that isn't complaint with the W3C standards as they evolve will soon find itself left in the dark. We can only hope that this will encourage those that design the browsers to actually make a product that WORKS and displays HTML the way it was meant to be displayed.

Yep, but that's hard while the dominant browser is one of the least compliant...

All we can do is pray... and utilize IE7

well if your client does give a rats **** about complience then they probably arent properly informed, which is part of your job


thats exactly what complience is about

so i seem to recall u do some real estate apps and ur saying they dont care about compliance? what if they are out showing proerty and want to look it up on their palm? or pocket pc which is becoming very common, if the browser doesnt conform, they aint gunna see jack.

heres another example
right now im working on a site for a sorority (whoo hoo!!!!)
and i asked her about compliance at the beginning and she said not to worry about it. SO i go sit down with her on her mac and she shows me a site that she wanted to model it after, the funny thing was u couldnt see half the site & the navigation didnt work at all (dhtml) and she says, "oh thats just common for the safari browser", so i go make up a few ideas i had and the first thing she says too me is "wow, it looks the same on safari as it does on winblows".so much for not giving a rats **** about complience eh!

my personal opinion is that if u r not making your web sites forward compatible now with at least xhtml then u need to be **** slapped LOL jk

but remember the customer is always right... If my opinion is wanted and warranted I give it, but I'm not trying to sound "cocky" and lose any customers

If they want FP because it's something that they can maintain and that's what they're comfortable with and that's what they want to use, that's what they get. In the end, I get paid, and I get great references for more work.

When I said "they want it to work all the way around" I forgot to say "but they want it to work for them more"...

I know what compliance is and I love it... when I'm able to be as fully compliant as any browser will enable I'm happy. But when I'm not I just get over it. In the end I still need to pay the bills... and we all know $$$ don't grow on trees.