This thread is dedicated to Loftboy... for months now having found no other appropriate thread. Since he seems reluctant to start one on his own for bashing Microsoft (perhaps he's shy), I thought I'd do him a favor. So, if you're a Microsoft hater, please help Loftboy make this thread popular...

<drum roll>Take it away Loftboy!!!</drum roll>

2nd post...

MS SUX0RZ!!! L1nuX is t3h 1337!!! omfgbbq!!! *spins*

kuz you know, free crap rox and stuff like that werd.

is that the best u can do allen? figures, less than i'd even expect from u.

least when i bash them i know what i am talking about and have good reasons am somewhat am informed of what i say.
i keep telling u to prove me wrong and u cant.

like i said before why dont u use your time actually learning some code or something so u can get out of the fp (aka kiddy leagues).
SO we sit here and try to help u out for months and even u come to the conclusion that we are all wasting our times helping u cause ur too **** lazy too learn something that actually makes u think a lil bit. And along the way we all discover how bad ms really is. and yet u still dont see it.

thanks to a GREAT find from josh we have this http://fu_ckmicrosoft.com/content/whatsbad.shtml take _ out

like i said in the last post, i could careless if its microsoft or kentucky fried chicken, whomever is causing the troubles should be the target.
but the lil peeons (u) are to **** stupid to do anything about anything and it just messes everything up 4 the rest of us.
so yes, your ignorence affects us. And if u'd quit bringing up these stupid hairbrained ideas then i wouldnt have to point out the basic flaws in them that just happened to be cause by the before mentioned company.

if this is all the better u can do allen, then u better give up now.

heres an idea, when someone has a problem now, i'll just ignore it, oh your website doesnt work in all the browsers, well **** those other guys for conspiring against the sainthood of the net (aka ms), how could they possible make things better for us? ****, i wanna make crappy websites, **** i wanna pass viruses to everyone i know and dont know, **** i wanna have all the spyware in the world installed on my puter, **** i wanna annoy the **** outta ppl on these boards by trying to make my great fp site validate even though i know it cant, im gunna act stupid and mess with these ppl for months at a time trying to do something that cant be done.


point is that if ur gunna spout crap that is directly affected my the company then i will say whats wrong about it and u know what?
i can allen because i know what the **** im talking about, i have yet too see 1 thing that u actually are knowledgable about!! just cause u dont know **** doesnt mean u gotta get all pissed at me, **** go read something

or better yet....what was your latest hairbrainer? start seperate internets for ppl who want touse diff browsers lol

now go play with your toys and pretend u can make a website

yeah allen, thats the **** there!

No, that’s not the best I can do Loftboy… I’m just gonna torture you for awhile first.

Point 1: I’ve been using FrontPage 2002 going on my third year now… not once have I had a major problem, not once has any data been lost… not even a period.

Point 2: I’ve been using Internet Explorer going on my third year now… not once have I had any major problem. Minor yes, but nothing major.

Point 3: I’ve been using Norton (Symantec) going on my third year now… not once have I gotten a virus.

Point 4: I’ve been using Yahoo for my email service going on my third year now… with no viruses and lost mail is an extreme rarity. Yeah, there was some email with viruses I knew slipped through… but I don’t foolishly open attachments.

Now, while you think these systems I use are ineffective, or something only a newbie would use, here’s the bottom line:

Point 1 + Point 2 + Point 3 + Point 4 = total satisfaction

While I know you think my website looks “Frontpageish” (amateurish) … but other than my home page, I don’t need the rest of my pages to look different… they’re articles and thus mostly just text. Besides, not much traffic goes to my homepage anyway… but directly to these articles.

And why have you had so many problems with the above?

Well, it’s obvious you don’t like anything tried-n-true, or else you try to circumvent systems whereby they won’t work properly anymore (like FrontPage). Frankly, I don’t think you ever fully understood how FrontPage works… perhaps it’s a bit too complex for you. And why are your relatives having so much trouble with their computers? Probably because you talked them into dropping Norton, Yahoo’s mail service or something else vital… and now you wanna get them to switch browsers?

You are the problem Loftboy, it ain’t these tried-n-true systems… but of course you wanna try everything new. You’d switch to something made in the Sudan if it had a cool name.

Bottom line for me? Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke!!!

oh gawd, words of wisdom from the internet gawd

ok u dont even work with data allen, so how can u loose it? u couldnt even tell me if u had data whered ud put and how you'd retrieve it lol

how many quotes from u would i need to go back and find, were u say that product use limits you?

and this WHOLE friggin thing started with you not being able to figure out why your rankings arent as good as your cometitors. Which of course was very plainly pointed out you and u still dont get it.

and you say well u dont want to put the time in to make it better but u sure waste a lot of time making sure it sucks, thats stupid just stupid.
Maybe if you did actually make it better, cleaner & friendlier then you would get more traffic but u just dont get it, i guess to many days out in the fields cooked your brain or something.

if it didnt matter to you then u wouldnt even be on here and you wouldnt get mad and half this crap ur mad at and u thought i was saying to u i wasnt but since u r the world maybe i was.
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so lets take this back to what u really want and need
*your site to at least somewhat validate for cross browsers to maximize your user base
*moving you up in the search engine ranks for more visabilty
*cleaning up your code so that u can get moved up in the rankings
*making a design that makes it easy and comfy for your site visitors to stay and enjoy
*having a good site that shows your love for your passion, not a site thats cheap and ugly, shows maybe u r not serious about your writings.

is that close? wouldnt that be nice?
but ur to dam lazy to take a day or two too learn the basics of html and css, at least enough to do what ur doing. Obviously your writings are a joke as thats how u treat them. we have been trying to help u for what now 3-4 months? in that amount of time any half witted person not only could have learned to do it 1/2 way correctly but they could have also learned enough server-side language to make it a dynamic site and thats a newbie and u have been doing this almost 3 yrs.
3yrs allen, u have no excuses but laziness, i guess u'd rather copy and paste quotes u found on net to try and make u look smart or like u know what ur talking about.

as for your email, well i guess someone who doesnt get any probably doesnt need to worry about it.

me personally, i get around 3000 emails a day and the average internet user gets more than enough on a daily basis to have gotten viruses and what not.
have u ever run spybot on your puter allen?

and your norton, well norton used to be good, now it doesnt do very good virus scanning and it consumes a crapload of system resources but for someone who probably has no idea what system resourses actually are, im not sure ur aware.
http://www.download.com/3302-2239_4-10321099.html

part of the problem is that u havent tried other things so u just dont know.
but if it works for u then good 4 u

but again your whole original problem was about your site and evey issuse u have with that is about 2 things.
1) the product u use, duh, even u admit that
2) the operator, even a good product becomes a bad product when the operator is clueless

and cause i am a nice guy, i'll help u out one more time
http://www.htmlgoodies.com/primers/basics.html
http://www.arachnoid.com/lutusp/html_tutor.html

go learn allen, do yourself a favor

Kids, play nice.

lol
im always nice

jamie if u see this tomight im me k, gots a ? 4 ya

Look Dave...
You keep forgetting much of what I've said.
You keep forgetting what I want out of a website.
You keep forgetting I DON'T WANT TO CODE... I WANT TO WRITE MY ARTICLES!!!
And much of what you say is full of half truths and can't hardly be anwered because of being so vague. And you're always all over the map!

Now, your idea of what a browser and website editor should be might be right for you, and right for a lot of people, but I DON'T NEED SOMETHING LIKE THAT!!! FrontPage is all I need and I've learned enough html and css to serve my purposes. Think about it Dave, I'm 63 years old... why would I want to start learning to code? As I see it, it's like trying to learn another profession. I'm on this forum only to pick up a few ideas, but something I'm willing to tackle. It's gotta be worth the trouble tho.

So, could my website be made better? I'm positive it can and even so using FrontPage. And I'm still learning things about FrontPage... it seems to have a bottomless pit of gadgets, and options within these gadgets. Could it be made to look better using Firefox? Probably... going by what all you guys say. But, my situation is a little different... I don't get much traffic coming to my homepage, hardly any, the traffic I get goes directly to my articles. And my webpages containing my articles don't need improvement... they're just text. 90% of my website is text. It would only be for my homepage and a few other webpages where improvements would probably help. But it is highly doubtful switching to Firefox would make any difference in traffic and sales. I think FrontPage can do the job, a better job, I just need to make better use of its potential.

Okay, you've said that my 'competitors' are doing better in the SERPs than me (therefore a reason to switch to Firefox). Dave, I only said two competitors were doing better. As far as I can tell, I'm doing much better than most all the rest. When I say 'competitors' tho, I mean small-time bookstores... not Amazon, Barnes & Noble and such. I could never compete with them... nor do I try to compete as 'bookstore'. I rely on probably 150 other major keywords and while I'd like to better on many, I do very well on a lot. While just a few months ago I was doing better with Yahoo, now Google has taken the lead... finally. My position with Google was concerning me. But in checking the SERPs, which I do monthly, I have been gaining ground in the Google SERPs. I've always have done well with Yahoo however.

You see Dave, FrontPage can serve some people very well. But I can see why coders wouldn't like it, and if I was a coder I probably wouldn't like FrontPage either. For some people tho, like me, FrontPage is plainly good enough. Anyone, I mean anyone at all, should be able to see sufficient logic in my points.

P.S. I'd rather us get along than fight... okay?

to tell u the truth allen i didnt even read it all and yes i agree it would be best if we just got along.

maybe i just get frustrated cause i really want to see u exceed beyond what u can imagine because thats what im good at doing and getting others to do.
and i think u spend a lot of time on here so u must care more than u say u do, doesnt matter if ur 63, plenty of ppl that age really get into this.

just dont take everyting i say personally or directed only at u or neg, a lot of times im just suggesting so that u and possibly others might find something new and useful to them. Happens back and forth all the time.

know what i mean vern?
remember things on here arent what they seem or getting taken differently cause its a poor communication media

Cool... but I'm grouchy today so don't try to make me laugh!

Okay, I'll smile.

Maybe I'll just take a walk like Bill here (don't freak out, it's not Bill Gates)




P.S. I wanted (so bad) to put another image Bill is walking towards but I know Jamie would delete it

This will be my last post for awhile, perhaps the final one... just in case I'm missed . I've been neglecting my writing and need to get back in the saddle. There is a far more important reason however. Perhaps few of you know this, unless you've read some of my articles, that I'm really a very spiritual guy. Well, during the past 2-3 months, I've been drifting in the wrong direction. It's not so much because my swearing, off-color jokes, or any of my other bad habits, but when overdone, they become disruptive to a spiritual frame-of-mind. "Everything in moderation" applies here as well I think. While I'm not a religious guy, but a spiritual one, one must avoid counter-influencing distractions... LIKE ARGUING WITH DAVE!! j/k

I'm probably destined to become a hermit... each time I move, it's more remote than the last. I'm becoming anti-social as well... unless of course she's got a pretty face!! I'll be dropping in once in awhile, probably not to post but just to check up on you guys... so don't go badmouthing me!! It's been a lot of fun tho, and I've learned a lot from you guys. I must admit, most of what you guys talk about is way over my head... guess I've been out of it too long. So long my friends, at least for awhile.

P.S. No Dave, I'm not going to change my signature before I go.

lol...

well, good luck to you. see you soon enough. good luck w/ the writing!!!

Aww Allen - don't leave - I always looked forward to reading your posts!!!

I actually think I am just like you in a lot of ways - I am becoming more and more anti-social as I grow older and want less and less actual physical interaction with people...talking over the puter is fine, but I like people less when I meet them face to face it seems.

I'll make a good hermit one of these days too...I wanna buy a big houseboat and just live on it once I retire...

I think there's just too many people everywhere I go...

amen rob amen