Does anyone know if coldfusion has elimited the restriction on the amount of documents allowed in the verity index included with CF?

In CF7 docs it states:



But I couldn't find this anywhere in the CF8 live docs.

Thanks

Jason,
Knowing Adobe and their lack of generosity, I highly doubt that they upgraded Verity. If you have 62,500+ documents you can purchase a nearly-unlimited version of Verity seperately.

Yeah, we used to use verity years ago, but stopped because of it's extremely high price, and very poor support.

That is how I feel about Coldfusion. Coldfusion costs 1299 at the very least, and you will have to pay another 5000 dollars if you want better performance, and integration with event gateways.

Adobe support comes at a high price. You either pay 100s of dollars per incident, or talk to someone in the Phillipines who does not have many suggestions, and urges you to buy an enterprise-level support incident. It is 99$ per incident just to talk to slightly more knowledgeable, but still outsourced support.

I have made it my policy to use Open Source software such as Ruby and MySQL. Ruby search software such as Namazu and Ferret are more reliable and full-featured than Verity, and come at no additional cost.

I know that you cannot switch away from CF, but Coldfusion is much more expensive, and a great deal of the extensions and add-ons needed for more advanced tasks a come at an additional cost. Coldfusion does not have much variety in extensions. I have also found, that at least on a VPS level, open source software allows you greater choice in how you deploy your application. With a lot of competitors, all marketing their open-source products for free, you get top-notch performance, and developers (of open source software) are forced to make their software compatible with other software. Essentially, I know that you cannot switch over your clients, but I hope you try Ruby on Rails. I have never launched and deployed applications faster, and Coldfusion was nothing but a headache when it came to security, complex queries, and scalability...

Hi Jason,

I hope you are fine.

Just a quick question. Was your Verity installed on your VPS or you had to install it yourself?

Kind regeards

Tunç

If I recall correctly, verity was NOT installed by default and I did have to download from adobe. But be forewarned, that i took a big hit on my 1gig of drive space after installing it as it is an additional 250megs ontop of the CF installation. You will need the license key to download verity from adobe which you can get out of your CFAdministrator

I should also add that my VPS is still running CF7 and NOT 8 as of yet. In the CF8 install, verity is included by default.

Now that Verity is owned by Autonomy, I wonder what that will mean for future releases...

Thank you very much Jason. I have sorted it now.
I thought i never managed to send this message at the first place as i had received an error just after sending

You are joking, right? Verity costs _much_ more than ColdFusion does. Adobe does not control the price of Verity. I think it is very generous that even a stripped down version of Verity is included. Yes, there is a document limit, but many sites have no problem with this limit. And Verity has some very nice features indeed, including things like soundex and suggestions for better results.

At the end of the day - if you need more results than the bundled Verity allows - then don't use it. But considering that you get this excellent search for free and than bad mouthing Adobe for not being generous? That just doesn't make sense.

Integration with other software? What do you mean? The standard CF can integrate with just about anything.



Yes they have in CF8.



Yes, you have to pay for support if you call Adobe. There are numerous other free support options though. Where do you go for help with PHP? I mean - is there a number you can call where you know, 100%, that you will get support? They may be - I'm asking in all seriousness. But is this support free? I'm sure- just like CF- there are both commercial and free options. Free is nice - but not always available.



Um. To install a custom tag you copy a file. That's hard?



Actually what Alagad sold, image manip software, had multiple free alternatives. CF8 now has image manip built it. There are numerous OS CF projects as well. Please see: http://www.riaforge.org



I honestly don't think you even know CF. CF does not require JRUN. You can run CF on other Java Application Servers.



Which is a web server, not a Java Application Server. You can run CF on Apache. I do.



I really do think you should be more informed before you speak of a product. I do not know Ruby well and I would not make such statements.

I used Coldfusion for two years, and launched one application. I may not be as knowledgeable as you are, having written one or two books, but this has all come from my experience with Coldfusion.


Apache has a module for running Rails applications. I was wrong about JRun, having never setup a CF deployment myself, but it is still the standard choice of Java application server for shared. setups. It gave me quite a bit of trouble, and many CF customers at HMS have complained. Even if you can find a better Java app server, that is still one extra liability more than other languages have.


I understand that support comes at a price - that is why I host at HMS. but Adobe should not transfer me to outsourced support after paying 100$ or more per incident (this is not only CF).


I am referring to custom tags involving C++ or JAVA.

- My complaints take place before CF8

first off verity wasnt installed on my cfmx8 vps server as someone mentioned it was. It needs to be downloaded from adobe and of course the download isnt working.

@comprug
I hate to say it man but you are so off base on coldfusion that it isnt even funny. The sad part is that most people are just like you and they speak and spread incorrect information about coldfusion. I see you worked with coldfusion and built only 1 app which is ummmm , well it better have been a big and i mean BIG app. I can knock out 50 or so a year, if I was like you and using ruby I would need to cut that total in at least half. And i cant believe that you in fact built a big app because if you did you would have been very heavily involved and be much more informed about the language you were using.

"My complaints take place before CF8"
Umm no your complaints take place before coldfusion 6

"I am referring to custom tags involving C++ or JAVA. "
You copy it into a folder like ray said, it aint rocket science and takes 15 seconds to do

"Coldfusion is less popular than it used to be"
It is? well i'll be dammed!!!
Actually if you ask someone who IS knowledgeable in coldfusion or knows the stats on sales you will see that coldfusion is as popular as it always has been.

You assume that it isnt because all these "kiddy" programers are using php or ruby and its a lot of sites.. a lot of little poorly coded sites that is while coldfusion is silently powering some of the biggest sites in the world.

I saw a stat recently that said that like 80% of the fortune 100 companies all use coldfusion, not to mention a huge chunk of the gov not to mention all the backend systems that power most of the medial facilities. meanwhile ruby has a few big sites but most are lil small ones and I really havent sen many big php sites at all.

I am a little off base on Coldfusion, but I know the language fairly well. Many of my complaints could have been remedied by more advanced users, but a language is only as good as its users are. Coldfusion made it hard for me to solve problems, and I really hated Coldfusion. I can understand if you and Raymond enjoy Coldfusion, and did not experience my problems, but this comes all from my experience. Some coders prefer JSP or .net. This is only my opinion. When it comes to debating languages, we are all frequently wrong, even if we have tried the other language. I have edited my post to correct the inaccuracies. Sorry if I offended you.