FireFox info

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:56 pm

i dunno bo bum
they never believe me anyway lol

but most ppl think is ms is a good thing?????????

habits are hard to break i guess

glad i broke mine Wink

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:33 am

s'more

Subj: Re: [WSG] Slightly OT... Interview with IE Dev team
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:19:51 +1000
From: "heretic" <v55oi3x02@sneakemail.com>
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> I was wondering if any of you have any specific questions, queries, or
> comments regarding the development of IE, and more specifically, IE7
> which may, or may not, come with Longhorn (before... if we're lucky)

Hmmm, where to start Smile

The questions I'd put to them.... in no particular order....

1)
The obvious: will they conform to W3C standards and/or the prevailing
interpretations therof, eg. fundamental box model rendering
differences? How about other stuff like PNG support?

This question will probably be covered extensively here so I won't elaborate Smile

2)
Will they be separating the web browser from the OS rendering engine?
I have heard that IE's rendering engine is actually the same as that
used to render the interface for most MS applications. I've also heard
this is the major reason IE is such a massive security problem.

3)
Will IE7 have a new code base/rendering engine, ie. a greenfield
approach; or does it adapt/reuse existing code? Do they see this as a
major new release, or just more of the same?

4)
Will they be adding better/easier user customisation features; eg.
easy-to-access colour/font customisation, robust page/text zoom, etc?

5)
Will they be getting rid of the "friendly error messages" which are
the bane of support staffs' lives? Or at least putting the real error
code at the top of the message so that it's visible in screenshots?

6)
Where does IE fit into MS' overall product strategy - is it a major
part or just a sideline? Would MS truly care if everyone started using
Opera/Firefox/etc?

7)
Will they be maintaining IE's habit of opening documents like MS Word,
PDF, etc inside the browser window, or at least making it a
user-configurable option?

Cool

Are they still planning to restrict IE7 to the Longhorn release, or
will they relent and offer IE7 as a standalone/upgrade for other
versions of Windows?

9)
Do the developers use standard versions of IE themselves? I'm sure
they'll say yes, but it's worth asking Smile

I'm thinking here of Lotus
Notes programmers who customise their client software to the nth
degree then can't understand why everyone else hates the system.

Don't know if any of those questions would interest anyone else....
but there you go Smile

Posts: 766 · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 2:09 pm

friendly error messages - aren't!

Posts: 746 · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:46 pm

Who was the genious that came up with "Friendly Error Messages" in the first place??

Hadda be a woman...

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:57 pm

Who was the genious that came up with "Friendly Error Messages" in the first place??

that was ME! haha

Posts: 4 · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:52 pm

Hello folks, I'm new to this board. I switched to FF back in August and have not looked back. A lot of good points here. My main reason for switching was it just made sense to not have the browser tied to the OS. All the other great things about FF were just a bonus, and there are a lot of them. I have not had time to play with FF much and have learned some nice tricks from this thread alone. Just wanted to add my opinion. I also am trying to get into the field and would like some advice. I'll post a new thread about that.

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:59 am

welcome! (hockey rules!, just not this year dammit!)

the sad part is microsoft is seemingly moving forward with incorporating the browser even more into the desktop.
so i guess the viruses will keep coming.

so whos to blame for this?

everyone who uses their junk (josh haha jk)

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:02 am

I dont want to restart this thread by any means but I wanted to reply
to this one comment in the interest of those still using IE...

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:06:39 -0400, Jim Davis
<hoflists@depressedpress.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:35:06 -0400, Jim Davis
> > <hoflists@depressedpress.com> wrote:
> > > >> The question is whether or not FireFox in mass use would reduce
> > spyware -
> > > >> I'm not sure it would. It very well might - I just don't know.
> > > >
> > > >IE installs software without your consent - so yes it would reduce
> > it
> > > >(using logic and experience not stats). After I install firefox on
> > > >systems and run spybot a month or two later there isn't any spyware.
> >
> > >
> > > No it doesn't.
> >
> > I am afraid it does. Run spybot on your system every once in a while,
> > bet you'll find some if you browse with IE - patch system or not
>
> Beleive me - I religiously run scanners and with a fully patched system have yet to encouter any getting through. Do you have a URL that could demonstrate this?

http://news.com.com/IE+flaw+threat+hits+the+roof/2100-1002_3-5517457.html?tag=nl

Exploit code for one of the vulnerabilities, a flaw in an HTML Help
control, was published on the Internet on Dec. 21 in an advisory by
GreyHats Security Group.

"In order for us to rate a vulnerability as extremely critical, there
has to be a working exploit out there and one that doesn't require
user interaction," Kristensen said. "This is our highest rating and is
the last warning for users to fix their systems."

The exploit code can be used to attack computers running Windows XP
even if Microsoft's Service Pack 2 patch has been installed, Secunia
said. The company is advising people to disable IE's Active X support
as a preventative measure, until Microsoft develops a patch for the
problem. It also suggests using another browser product.

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:31 am

great ff extension emulates a screen reader (for dev'n)

https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=402&vid=1305

Posts: 1029 · Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:34 am

that last IE *flaw* you posted didn't work on me... SAV caught it

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:37 am

? which 1 there are so **** many

Posts: 1029 · Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:45 am

the last one you posted in this thread... ^^^ Right up there...

Posts: 178 · Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:47 pm

Josh - So the basic idea is that IE is secure as long as you use other programs to secure it?

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:00 am

lol that is too funny! yet so true

Posts: 1029 · Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:12 am

No... the idea is that Windows is 10x more secure if you take IE out of the equation... for better proteactoin, remove explorer completely... but then you just lost windows LOL!!!