http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1745693,00.asp?kc=ewnws122704dtx1k0000599

thats your sp2 protecting u!

and there's all that open-source weakness There's something to be said for secured source

yeah but isnt it funny how the "closed" source has more problems? (in terms of os's)
the other bad part of "closed source" is how long it takes to get a patch for it because u must wait for m$ to take time enough from filtering billy spam emails to actually do something productive and useful.

in reguards to the opensource os the holes can be fixed pronto

Yeah but how many people are actually CAPABLE or even excercise the option of updating code themselves? Next to none is the right answer

well no but what i meant was say with linux or firefox when there is a hole found its fixed by end of day usually by someone

Yeah but if it's not a "trusted source"... and heck, sometimes if it is bad things happen... there are just too many variables that could incorperate badly much more easily with open source.

yes they are they have to go through the provider say like suse

and come on josh, u surely cant call microsoft a "trusted source" just think about this, which worldwide company has been in or is currently in the most anti-trust lawsuits? and yet u trust them lol silly silly

and i agree somewhat about the open source faults just look at what happened with php at week

but as far as the os systems go and specifically linux, thats why u get a good distro because it still goes and is approved through them. I would trust them more than m$

Yeah I use Suse 9.1 here... I don't use the funky flavors period... just the good ones... RedHat, Suse, Mandrake - although I favor Slackware as well...

Did MS show up to your house when you were a kid, kill your parents, kick your dog, and run away with your sister? I mean now I can't trust MS... who's been around since the 70's and has managed to become not only a household name but also the name of somebody's dog somewhere I'm sure?! I'm a great and gullable target for conspiracy theories, but c'mon... that just sounds silly.

Now to me, I shouldn't trust Linux who's "secrets" are right out there for the world to see, which when you think about it makes it 20x more vulnerable than anything else. You say MS's products aren't secure, but some of the best security is obscurity. If you don't know what's there how do you even know what you're looking for?

well one thing about showing your source is that it better **** well be pretty tight!

ok tell me this josh
if ms's closed source is so great and so secure why are there like 99% of the successful attacks are on it?


i hate ms for a lot of reasons josh u know that.

conspiracy theories? what theories have i brought up? none
u need to look at what ur saying then look at the real world and see if its true.
granted, yes, ms is a household world, why? they where one of the first companies in the game. did they have the best product at the time? no. but they marketed better. U can use that theory on a lot of companies.


show me that they are secure josh!!!!!!!!!!

btw~ i dont think they have even fixed the .net security issue from a few months ago which is HUGE
and now ebay is removing there "secure" passport & .net stuff because its "NOT SECURE"

i see u talk about say using firefox and why its more secure then u say things like this & i just dont get it lol

but u surely cant come in here and say like xp is more secure cause its closed source, thats insane josh

dont take your opinion or my opinion, look it up and see what the FACTS are.

one of the reasons i do hate ms is because of just this, THEY say that they are secure but the world shows they are NOT.

Most of the attacks are windows based because a majority of the OS's populating the net are MS based... that's an easy one If Linux were more popular it would be under MUCH heavier fire.

Also, I've NEVER said that passport was a good thing... there's way too much sensitive info at stake, and the want/rewards to hack(ing) something as global as Passport is reason enough not to want to partake in that. I didn't say every MS idea was great, just that MS is When you're an innovator you're going to run across problems that nobody has seen before... that's a given. However, just to take on such a heavy burden should be praised. Linux has a lot of really great innovations coming out right now... and they show their @$$ everytime they get a chance (bugs)... but again, that's to be expected.

Also, I just want to state that NO machine that's connected to a network of any sort is secure. Secure is one of those marketing words that people like to use. Nothing is totally secure. Right now, Apache2 has more holes than a cribbage board, especially compared to IIS6.

However, market share is just making all kinds of headway as far as Apache2's concerned... so be on the lookout for alllllll kinds of problems. Especially since it's source is open to the world

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html - Interesting

http://blogs.msdn.com/michael_howard/archive/2004/10/18/244181.aspx - Interesting

I included those just to add to the conversation.

I know you hate MS... I just like to shake your rattle

well of course nothing is secure and we've had this conversation on here before but u said completely different things.

i think one reason why ppl attack windows so much is they hate m$ (i dont blame them ) so they will always attact them

do u like aol?

they are such a good example of this all
aol sux azz we all know that but they trigger their business on the same things ms does.

right now aol is making this big deal over how well they block spam mail (cant wait to see jamies responce to that 1 lol)
do they block spam? yeah (and about everything else as well) but do they block their own spam mail? NO.

or

their pop up blocker
does it block pop ups? yes
does it block THIER pop ups? NO

see its a win/win 4 them cause ppl only see that they say they block pop ups and they block spam
so they use that but really cover up the real facts. and ppl THINK its so great but its not and just brings more biz to aol.
unethical if u ask me

or their new spyware and antivirus controls
says it kills spyware but does it take theirs out or all the junk it puts on the puter? no
and they advertize that your system will be protected with antivirus, what they mean is just your email has some crappy antivirus on that doesnt even work

just using scare tactics, oldest trick in the book.

and the ppl that use it dont know the internet is really completely different when not using aol but they dont know that

also ppl are creatures of habit and are afraid of change (thats the reason why ppl use ie and such)
just like when i moved my mom to xp from winme she freaked out completely as do most ppl so they wont change.
btw~ nice job ms!! take win95 make it worse and call it winme and sell it lol, nice company!!

i mean would u wanna use a company who practices biz like that? well i choose not to and ms is the same way.

"How can you work on open source with a closed mind?" - Jamie, after speaking with a particularly dense linux guru

that made no sense jamie

That's right Dave, growl at Jamie some more!! (That's the meanest looking m&m I ever saw)

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