Allen - I promise you - FF will not complicate anything for you. Try it and see if you like it. If not it uninstalls, but it doesn't incorperate with ANYTHING else... it's a 100% standalone app.

Can't judge it before you've tried it...

Allen if you want to just spend time writing your articles and books you should look into one of the several ContentManagementSystems (CMS) out there. I am setting up one for several customers called DotNetNuke. All the code is done for you, you install it on your host and then all you have to do is pick skins that will determine how it looks, and then add in your content. No coding, no worrying about CSS, no compliance or anything. That's left up to the developers of the apps. If you don't want to use .Net, there's several CMS's for PHP as well as ASP out there. I don't want to spend a lot of time writing custom code for customers that want to do similar things like you are doing so I just set them up with a DotNetNuke installation, get a skin they like and they are on their way.

I can provide you with links if you'd like.

Seems like it would be MUCH easier for someone in your shoes to go with a prebuilt yet flexible system like DNN, rather than rolling your own and getting headaches about all the intricacies of coding.

You can view my personal DotNetNuke installation at DavisPlanet.com

It's barebones and just the default skin, but it has a blog, a phot gallery, a downloads area, a document area and it will eventually have a forum and a PayPal interface for when I begin selling my services wholeheartedly. All of those things I didn't code. I downloaded and plugged them into the DNN framework...easy as cake.[/url]

Actually Bobum, I've pretty much got it the way I want it... functionally, it serves all my purposes. And since I don't handle sales directly, time-wise maintenance isn't a problem either. Mainly what I've been doing is trying to make it more visually appealing and to add a few more features, mostly cosmetic. I'm basically done with that... but, of course, will always be tweaking. What took me off on a tangent was trying to get it W3C compliant, which, as I now know, can't be done with FrontPage. I was also 'lured into' doing css (by a host of conspirators on this forum... Josh being the head conspirator). They musta lured me into some other stuff too but I can't remember, they've kept my head spinning so much.

My point wasn't to make your head spin, but rather to get you down the path of Consistency. With a CSS stylesheet and all of your pages pointing to it, when you update anything the change rolls to every page referencing the CSS.

Talk about making things easy...

Nah I lie... I just like making your life hard. j/k

I should go down the path of consistency? Good grief Josh, that sounds boring! Come to think of it though... the path I been using anyway (since my handlebar mustache turned gray). All is not lost tho, with my looks, I can still make them young gals stutter!!!

Hey Bobum... you just scored a ton of points with me. Elvis was truly the King of Rock 'n Roll. Always will be too!!! He's the man! I was raised by that old time rock & roll... for the most part, there wasn't alot of good country music until the 60's. The late 50s and early 60s had the best rock tho... until the Beatles came around. I refused to listen to them for almost 10 years!!

You refused to listen to the Beatles... Allen, you're a fool!!! I think you must be the most hardheaded person I've ever conversed with... EVER... and that's saying something.

LOL... I have to admit once I kinda-sorta forgave them for ruining rock-n-roll, and began listening to them... well, they were good. I could then see why they were so popular. I've never fully forgave them tho... their style elbowed out a lot of good (better) groups... those I still prefer listening to. I may be hardheaded bro... but I'm in tune and know what's cool!!!

P.S. Elvis is like 50 times more cool than the Beatles!!!

ELVIS is the King

And that's all there is to say...

I'm gonna get a new TShirt made up from CafePress.com and it's gonna say

"ELVIS would use FireFox..."

Allen, I do agree with you... Elvis was the daddy of cool... kewl, c00l... but the Beatles still rocked.

Bobum... that's an AWESOME idea for a T...

I've created a monster... I take a couple of days off for xmas shopping and I'm waaay behind.

loftboy... I don't take any offense, since I take these discussions as a learning experience, and it's harder to learn from those whom you already completely agree with.

But some things I must address...

On the opensource issue... even if I can't modify the release code for Firefox, I can still see it. Every bit of software - MS or not - has bugs and security holes. The fact that it's very difficult to get the source code for MS products does provide some protection from hackers, because finding holes ends up being more a matter of trial and error. I personally think that is one of the downsides of opensource software (regardless of whether or not it involves full community development).

It seems that the FireFox approach is to be just a webbrowser - which may be fine. The MS approach is more to have a few, well-integrated products (Office and IE) that can do everything. From a security standpoint, the MS stuff may be more at risk. But from a user standpoint (and I'm talking regular joes, not developer geeks like us) being able to do everything with only a few (or better yet only one) program(s) is really preferrable. I've actually seen users take several weeks (no joke) to learn how to use a mouse. For them, using a different speciality piece of software for every task is really daunting, and for them outweighs security concerns. MS'es big market (to date) has really been the less-skilled user I think. So they really need to build powerful, all-in one apps (like Office/IE), and try to deal with the increased security risk in their code.

To add to Josh's assessment of Bobum's list of critical IE security risks... I've installed Firefox, and I really can't see any major difference in the cookie handling options. The settings are organized slightly differently, but you can essentially accomplish the same settings.

Also, while my site is not totally CSS (I use tables), I did build it according to the W3C standard as much as possible. One thing I notice is that on Netscape/Firefox, the title on each page is not centred like it is in IE. From what I've read of the W3C specs, it should be centred in FireFox/Netscape too. (But this title does involve a table, so maybe FireFox/Netscape aren't completely backwards compatible)? I also make sure of "overflow: auto" for the main <div> of my pages. In IE this makes a vertical scrollbar on my long pages so that the content scrolls while the menu, border, title etc. of my site stays in the same place. Again from my reading of W3C, this is expected behaviour. However, Netscape and FireFox seem to ignore this "overflow: auto". Now, I'm not (even for a second) trying to claim that IE is more compliant, but just making the point that no browser seems to fully support the W3C standards. (And this reflects what I've read on many sites, including W3C itself). One other note while comparing IE to FireFox loftboy... I honestly don't see any performance difference between the two so far, and I'm trying them both on a virtual machine which I'd expect to magnify any performance problems in either browser.

Finally, the fact that IE is more tightly integrated with the OS means there may be more opportunity for a security violation IF the code isn't written securly. But, especially with xp sp2, the code does seem pretty secure, so from this, it's not a foregone conclusion that IE is less secure. And in the same way, even though FireFox isn't as tightly integrated into the OS, that doesn't mean the code has no holes that could result in a serious security breach.

My claim again, isn't that IE is better than FireFox (or vice versa), but rather that I'm just not convinced yet that FireFox is the holy grail of browsers.

Anyway, happy holidays to all (even to those of you that like Linux and Firefox).

Happy holidays to you too cpnet... I hope you have a tonne of fun doing your favourite things! Be on your best behaviour!!

P.S. Know how to tell if someone is really Canadian? Ask them what the last letter of the alphabet is. Their answer should be 'zed'.

With a good left hook?

No, their left hooks makes me stutter.

cpnet heres my responce to what u wrote


you would think that but its really not true. also watch what happens with viruses and such, they usually come out after a warning by companies that find faults in it and release the info then the ppl go write code to attack it. I'd recommend to u to get a subscription to eweek and u will see exactly what i am talking about.
again the biggest thing is that ff doesnt allow the bad scripts to even run at all where ie does.
other than that the browser really isnt the concern, so what if they hack through ff? they still cant run scripts and they'd have to go back and write another script to then attack the os, whereas in ie they just write the one and bring down the whole system.




there isnt anything i cant do as fast or faster than using ms intragrated prducts as i can with ff, thunderbird(email) & openoffice. Nothing really more to learn either.



there is a big difference but why is everyone so concerned with cookies? everyone freaks on them but are they really a problem? as with any browser u should add iyour acceptable ones to the ok ones when u do them and disallow the rest (if u want but they really arent a concern so why bother?) whens the last time u have seen a cookie virus? they'd have to take control of your browser first.



actually ie is wrong on this one, the web standards says the default placement in a table is to the left and firefox and such show it that way. Ie though does not it actually goes to the center when the others go to the left, just aligh to center if thats what u want



i can see it very easily and if u want u can make scripts to see how fast the load then run in each browser



please dont think that sp2 is secure just cause ms says it is, cause its really not and if u think so u will be in for a big suprise!! Seems to me there are actually more holes now in xp with sp2 than there was before.

and im not saying ff is the holy grail of browsers but its the best of what we currently have
~by leaps and bounds!~

basically any browser that does intregrate into the os is better than ie (opera, etc...)

happy new years