thats what u get 4 having a faulty m$ powered light saber

maybe the sabers activex got mysteriously invaded by my, oops i mean someones spyware

hmmmm... I'll have to look at this. Plug-ins couldn't do too much beyond setting themes if they didn't make use of some sort of executable code, or interpretable script... or maybe that's the whole point?

I think you're beginning to answer your own questions... look at the file extension of the extensions out there... its like htx or something... all it does is add/replace some code in some config files, and point to some interpretable script... that's it.

the whole browser is built upon xml not c++ or whatever ie is

so just changing the info in the file is all thats needed

just try it, takes like 5 minutes

i speel reel ggod

I was the EXACT same way - my first impression was like - who cares about "TABBED browsing" whoopdeedoo - then I started using it - OMG it is one of those gotta have features now. It's one of those things that once you start using it, you wonder how did I ever get by without it. It makes browsing the web SO much nicer.

Oh and another feature I LOVE about FireFox is the FIND Bar - it will search the page with each letter you type and let you know when an item is not found by uttering a little beep once your serach is not found.

for example - you hit CTRL+F to start a find - no window pops up in the middle of your screen, instead a little bar surfaces at the bottom of your browser and it immidiately gets focus - so #1, no need to click in it. Then you just start to type in the the word or phrase you are looking for.

So you type in M and the first H on the page gets highlighted. then you type in O, so in your little bar you have "Ho" the first instance of the Ho combination in the page now gets highlighted. You keep typing..
Ho - s - t - m

by this time the search has found the first instance of hostmysite in your doc and you didn't have to move your mouse, click on a submit button, or move the window out of the way so you could see your text. There is a Find NExt & Find previous button on the little bar so that once you find one instance of what you are looking for - you can find them all easily.

yeah i always forget about that until i hit cntr-f

In comparing security between IE and Firefox (or any new browser), my thoughts would be... perhaps Firefox hasn't been tested yet as being hack-proof. In other words, it seems the hacks prefer to attack Windows, being the most popular brand. With 85% of the browsers being Windows, it would be more 'rewarding'. I donno, perhaps as Bobum said, file types will be the difference.

In short though, shouldn't we be on guard against comparing something old to something new? It would be like comparing the reliability of Ford or Chevy products to the products of a new car company.

(a message from the dark side )

well 4 one let u in on a lil bitty secret.... I'm not the only one who completely hated microsoft! all the "other eveil" ppl do too and they will always aim there destruction at ms.

the other reason is that its so **** easy as the "whole" m$ experiance is like swiss cheese.

firefox has had 2 security issues
BUT both were due to a crappy os issue (xp)

the other big thing is that firefox wont allow most kinds of "bad" code to run therefor knocking out a lot of the harm, same as firefoxed counter part Thunderbird (email client)

simplicity is our answer here

when it comes to which browser is more secure? ie isnt in the same league much less even playing ball.

take a look at your ie install folder then take a look at the firefox folder, i cant even imagine how big some ppl's ie folder is just with the patches

allen, here is the gods honest truth

2 diff browsers, 1 is secured 1 isnt and never will be

everyday it seems i get these notices in my email


News: New IE Exploit Spoofs Web Sites
Security researchers have uncovered a spoofing flaw in Internet Explorer that could turn out to be the perfect holiday gift for scammers. Are you at risk?



News: 'Critical' XP SP2 Update Fixes Windows Firewall Bug
Microsoft has quietly released a "critical" Windows XP Service Pack 2 update to fix a serious flaw in the Windows Firewall utility. Take a closer look.

Keeping Pace with Microsoft's Patches

the last line says it all

I'm not doubting what you say about Windows, not at all, I'm just saying Firefox hasn't been up against the same storm. What if, say, Firefox (Mozilla, aka Netscape) was relentlessly attacked in the same way? In short, you really can't compare the two while operating in two different environments. That would be like saying the British Army in the southern part of Iraq is a better army because they've lost less men. The North is where all the fighting is.

Sure, maybe eliminating certain file types would plug some holes, but the fact remains, until Firefox has proven itself capable of weathering the same storm... you can't say it is more secure, period. Nor can users rely solely on the benevolence of the hackers not to attack Firefox either.

Only features could be compared fairly, not their security problems in this case.

(another message from the dark side )

yes u can allen

firefox DOESNT ALLOW THE SAME TYPES OF SCRIPTS TO BE RUN THAT IE DOES

yet the web works better, faster

ie is part of the OS and will inherit a lot of holes because it is a part of the OS

firefox isnt connected to the OS at all

and i wouldnt say that ie has weathered the storm
maybe ie is getting pounded by the storm

if u cant run the scripts then its pretty safe, ff wont run the scripts, ie will

Did I forget to mention 'proven' in my last post? I love ya kid, but you're talking hypothetically, I'm talking having a proven track record. You talk as if Microsoft has lost the war, but they haven't. They may have gotten their nose bloodied a few times but you gotta admire them for fighting back. I consider Firefox a raw recruit, yet to meet the enemy.

(another friendly message from the dark side )

i dunno allen, u seem to be missing the point completely

i wouldnt admire them for half-azz patching a crappy product, especially so slowly. when firefox had the 2 security issues, it was patched within hours and both issues where causes by winxp not firefox.

ie by default is a crappy design, an old and tired design, where as ff uses todays technology not 10 yrs ago like ie

attacks happen because the browser allows code to be executed that shouldnt be, ie allows this ff doesnt. u cant compare them

one is roller skates the other is roller blades


and i wouldnt say m$ is fighting back, more like their azz kicking has just begun.