FireFox info

Posts: 746 · Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:30 pm

jamie wrote:

"How can you work on open source with a closed mind?" - Jamie, after speaking with a particularly dense linux guru

That's actually pretty dang funny

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:42 pm

more like

u all work with closed source with closed minds~ thats why ppl still use ms stuff

i opened my mind and found opensource then closed of the ms crap in my head

Posts: 1031 · Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:43 pm

^^^ I'm sorry... that must really suck Laughing

Im glad my windows are wide open (pun intended)

Posts: 746 · Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:49 pm

hehe - wide open to every hacker in the world...hehe

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:57 pm

hehe - wide open to every hacker in the world...hehe

bo bum rules!

Posts: 1031 · Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:00 pm

Those are AWESOME icons/avatars/etc... ROFL!!! I love'em!!!

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:17 pm

yeah its amazing what my ms hating closed off obviously no brain in my head can find

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:42 pm

this is just too dam funny!
this is an email that just came in off the w3c standards mailing list.
someone from the ie7 team asked for suggestions on bettering ie 7
(i'll be bad and cross post on the firefox thread)
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Subj: Re: [WSG] Slightly OT... Interview with IE Dev team
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:28:24 -0000
From: "Kornel Lesinski" <kornel@osiolki.net>
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> I was wondering if any of you have any specific questions, queries, or
> comments regarding the development of IE, and more specifically, IE7
> which may, or may not, come with Longhorn (before... if we're lucky)

Does Microsoft feel resposibility for the web?

Do they realize how much web traffic is wasted, because IE holds back web
standards?
(according to stopdesign.net it's 950gb of junk markup *per day*, on
microsoft.com alone)

What about fixing long-standing rendering bugs?

On http://positioniseverything.net/explorer.html you can find some nasty
ones
(severly broken float model is my 'favorite')

On IE blog I've read excuses that such things need to stay for sake of
compatibility.

Indeed funny it'd be when fixed IE would cease to be "IE-compatible",
but how long Microsoft can keep it's pet bugs?

Why 8 years is not enough to implement PNG transparency? (that's a popular
question Smile

Posts: 1031 · Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:49 pm

LOL!!! that was a good read...

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:56 pm

ok i am not posting these to bash or other wise flame microsoft, i am mearly putting them up for educational purposes only Smile

i realize i do bash m$ way to much and i am sorry to those of u that upsets but in my own defense if any of u have gone through what i have with them u'd be a complete idiot to support them anymore as well. And as much as its your right to to use and suggest their products to others, its my right to show whats wrong with the products and suggest other products for those who choose to check it out and make the decision for themselfs.
~btw~ their intregration of products is the single biggest reason why the world has such a bad virus problem, so its MY opinion that by buying those products your are directly supporting the spreading of them. You may not personally spread a virus but u support a product that does. ~ end of rant

Subj: Re: [WSG] Slightly OT... Interview with IE Dev team
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:22:45 -0500
From: Wayne Godfrey <jratz@comcast.net>
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> Naturally they want to develop a better product,

Oh really? That's a laugh. All Microsoft is interested in is sticking a very
large hose directly into your wallet to suck as much cash out as possible.
This is the 8000-pound gorilla who believes in web standards as long as
those standards are theirs. In fact, that's the corporate philosophy across
the board and now they're heading into your living room! Can't wait to see
what havoc they reek there.

As the other posts have said, they've had ample opportunity and time to get
things right, where are we now? Hacks and java scripts...

Wayne

i like this quote

As the other posts have said, they've had ample opportunity and time to get
things right, where are we now? Hacks and java scripts...

that goes with the os as well

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:31 pm

once again im posting this for general knowledge not to bash

Subj: Re: [WSG] Slightly OT... Interview with IE Dev team
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:11:10 -0800
From: Ben Curtis <ben@websciences.org>
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>> Naturally they want to develop a better product,
>
> Oh really? That's a laugh. All Microsoft is interested in is sticking
> a very
> large hose directly into your wallet to suck as much cash out as
> possible.
> This is the 8000-pound gorilla who believes in web standards as long as
> those standards are theirs. In fact, that's the corporate philosophy
> across
> the board and now they're heading into your living room! Can't wait to
> see
> what havoc they reek there.
>
> As the other posts have said, they've had ample opportunity and time
> to get
> things right, where are we now? Hacks and java scripts...

Well, I did not say that naturally they will adopt W3C standards, but
that naturally they want to develop a better product. Yes, "better" as
defined by them. However, "better" as they define it is capable of
maintaining greater than 70% market penetration, and they are losing
market penetration because:

1. IE's ActiveX and Javascript holes allow for spyware and other
malware, and people know it, and people are more savvy about it now.

2. The hearts and minds of developers are lost, and (over time) with
that goes all the benefits of declaring the de-facto standard: if
developers develop to other browsers first, and then adapt it to work
in IE (becoming more of the case each month), then sites will work
better in other browsers. To win back the hearts and minds of
developers, they need to adopt standards.

They will also extend standards in a way that breaks future
compatibility with standards so that they can get stuff developed now
that is wiz-bang, and tomorrow developers and users will have to choose
again whether those IE extensions are good or bad.

So, I think it's a given that the answer to the question "Will you
adhere to all recommended W3C standards for XHTML and CSS?" will be
"Yes." If you know the answer to the question, there is no point in
asking except to vent your frustration.

I wanted to ask a question I did not know the answer to: Will you make
sure not to break existing sites that are coded in a messed up way, but
a way that you are responsible for requiring?

I don't know the answer. If they say "no," then I will change my coding
habits to easily banish IE7 from my CSS hacks and add IE7-specific
hacks without changing every page on my site. If they say "yes," then I
will continue to code as if IE7 will render it like Firefox, or will
recognize the hacks for IE6.

And maybe they never thought of that and they answer "yes," in which
case the question just saved you a bunch of work, no?

Posts: 1031 · Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:34 pm

HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! IT'S THE SAME CRAP I BIT** ABOUT EVERY FREAKIN DAY!!! *BANGS HEAD REPEATEDLY*

Posts: 1129 · Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:39 pm

for some reason i wanna suddenly start to sing some quiet riot

~Bang your head...... mental health will drive mad..... Bang your head .....~

Posts: 1031 · Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:40 pm

This has got to be the single longest thread in the forums by far...

Posts: 746 · Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:52 pm

loftboy wrote:

if developers develop to other browsers first, and then adapt it to work
in IE (becoming more of the case each month), then sites will work
better in other browsers. To win back the hearts and minds of
developers, they need to adopt standards.

OMG - how many times on this board alone have you heard just lofty and I say this EXACT same thing - THANK GOD we are not the only ones feeling like that.