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im not trying to be mean but just an observation

i wouldnt use anyone who used a template from boxedart or whatever on thier home page, thats kinda like false advertising.

hopefully u dont use them on clients sites though

Where do you see that they're using a premanufactured template?

cause i have seen them before and i actually stole the flash buttons outa one of them once

its from boxedart.com or templatezap.com or something i dont remember

LOL!!! Well Alllllllrighty then!!! That is bad though... I make all my own ****, no matter how bad it comes out LOL!!!

as long as the client knows but i see a lot of ppl charge and clain its triers and thats just wrong

Why is that wrong?

You think Ford makes their own tranmissions in all their cars? no - a lot are Mitsubishi - but it's still a Ford vehicle.

Check out TV shows like American Chopper - they don't make their own engines - they put it all together, do some custom work and charge $100,000+ for their bikes...

No difference in using a prefab template.

not what im saying bo bum

like i see this a lot ok
someone will make a forum for a client and use phpbb (which is fine, i do it all the time) BUT they will turn around and remove all the phpbb info in it and charge the client serval thousand dollars and claim the coded it when in fact it took them 10 minutes and they didnt do anything except remove the phpbb info

im just saying i hope they dont charge the client for a lot of work they didnt do and that the client is aware they are using a template. If i was a client and i had a site made for me and i ran across the exact same site and it turned out to be a template without my knowledge, i would be very pissed and someone would be getting their azz sued off!

I'm with Dave on this one.

When you pay for something that is supposed to be "yours", if it isn't truly designed/developed solely for the customer (an application/design created by the designer/developer for the customer) then that should be disclosed. I just got a client who moved away from his old "webmaster" (enough said, right?) because this guy used some prefab software package and told the customer that it was made just for him, and when the customer wanted to purchase the "rights" to that software the webmaster wouldn't let him, but wouldn't tell him that it was a piece of GNU software created by another company. The webmaster even went to all the trouble to do as Dave said and remove all telltale signs of what it was. BTW, he also charged the guy an arm and a leg for the "design time" he put into it and then wouldn't even let the customer modify it... he insisted on doing it himself and charging the customer hourly for the updates and stuff.

That, no matter who you are or what you say, isn't right. that's just sad and shady. If you don't know what you're doing, maybe you shouldn't be trying to do it.

Im CREATING software for him that does everything he wants and in the end he will own the rights to the source code, design, etc... and I can do that because I'm actually creating this for him.

I can see what he's saying - disclosure is what you are wanting. But there's nothing wrong with buying a template and putting a customers site up using it.

It's still custom work that is being done.

But selling PHPbb as your own is a violation of copyright. That's just wrong. That is entirely different however from just buying a template and saying "I'll build this site for you and it will cost $X". You are still building the site. It may be a technicality but it's a big one. Places like TemplateMonster.com exists for the sole purpose of doing just that. THAT is what I am getting at. And that's originally the beef that lofty had with this fellas site.

WHY??

Cuz I am no artist or designer and most of the sites I build for my customers are templated and I put A LOT of work into them. Stealing someone elses work and claiming it as your own is wrong and that's what both of your examples are of. Mine however is an example of paying for something and incorporating it into a packaged product (hence the examples). There is nothing wrong with that. I just wanted to make the distinction.

Right Scott - exactly. Im no artist either, but I give credit where credit is due. I'm also up front with people.

As long as you realize I am right...

loftboy seems to have missed the fact that we have the templates listed on our website. We don't just take our clients money and give them a random design and tell them we came up with it. We tell our clients to look through the templates and then let us know if they find something that might be close to what they want. We then have to take that template and change it depending on what the client wants. We have even had clients who wanted us to have them as resellers of the templates and we told them that that was not possible because we didn't own those designs, that we had to pay for each one every time we wanted to use one. Yeah, that's right, we pay for each one every time we want to use one, we don't steal them like "some" other people.

As far as the comment that some people take web applications and sell them as their own, we know that all too well becuase it has happened to us a couple of times. We developed Powered Forums and Powered Calendar, both of which have a some point been purchased by other web design companies that have tried to pass them as their own. We know this is going to happen, so what we do now is offer a "branding free" option so our clients can buy our web applications without having to display our name or have a link back to out website.

naw thats cool
i steal ideas outta templates all the time as well!

it just makes me mad when ppl spend good money for a site and they get a template and have no idea!
maybe the site is still good but when they coulda bought the thing for $60 themselfs but instead pay thousands, that makes me mad and im sure u can understand that.

this whole thread wasnt really pointing a finger at u (i only do that to microsoft!) was just a point in general.

perfect example is a good long lost buddy of mine and i contacted and hes like yeah man i got this great web guy check out my site i only paid a few grand for it, he gave me a great deal. so i look and sure as shintz its straight off of templatemonster.com, didnt even change colors or anything, just photos and that was just this weekend.

but as they know here im very opinionated and have no fear to voice it lol
but really u can be mad or not bottom lines is i look after the honest ppl and there is nothing wrong with using it, so long as they know

and those that are dishonest, u'll hear from me!! haha

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